Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions(codeberg.org) |
Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions(codeberg.org) |
- artists,
- creators,
- translators,
- writers,
- climate(This specific change wouldn't affect me, since all the code I published was written without AI)
In terms of the risk of data loss -notwithstanding that having any codehost as your sole storage location without backups seems unwise for anything you value - Codeberg's approach to handling ToS violations has to date been extremely personal & not overly automated, so it's reasonably safe to assume artifacts won't be deleted without appropriate notice.
(2h ago, 89 points, 145 comments)
When someone tells you "We cannot afford to support you anymore", do you also reply "Well, I'll take this burden to someone else who will be grateful to eat some cost in supporting me"?
For self hosting, you're either large enough for people to go where you are regardless of the system, or you're effectively giving up the changes of having a community.
I don't really see the appeal besides free hosting + some storage.
People should either self-host a gitea/forgejo/gogs server for like 3$ a month on hetzner or just use gitea.com.
If you want to share your repos, just use sharemygit.com and spread the repo on coding forums. Personally I find this a much better stimulant for a community, then just having free-flowing code spread around like dust under a bed.
+ you actually dont need to be the victim of the whims of some ideological git-server provider. Ahem github (master->main), codeberg (no private repos are allowed), gitlab (you have to pay) etc. etc.
Not true. Codeberg is first of all a downstream fork [0] of Forgejo, making adaptations for high-scale use. And it offers additional services that Forgejo does not offer. Then it has a full-blown non-profit organization around it that enables community participation. It is the presidium of the community members that decided on the new ToU.
Forgejo is a hard fork of Gitea with a GPLv3 license, instead of MIT. Codeberg used to be based on Gitea, but it no longer does for many years now.
Private repositories are only allowed for things required for FLOSS projects, like storing secrets, team-internal discussions or hiding projects from the public until they're ready for usage and/or contribution. They are also allowed for really small & personal stuff like your journal, config files, ideas or notes, but explicitly not as a personal cloud or media storage.
This is reasonable: Codeberg is specifically set up to be a code host for open-source projects, not for closed-source commercial code.
If so, it seems kind of short sighted. Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code. What then?
And as the models improve, along with better code will come better bug fixing etc etc. So the quality of AI code will absolutely surpass that of human code. What then?
Will the repositories demand proof of programming ability? Why, when AI will be handling everything anyway. It would be rather like driving schools mandating that all drivers can strip an engine before they're allowed to drive? Very odd.
If they change their opinions in the future, they can reevaluate their stance and update their terms.
I love using LLMs for coding, but I think it's absolutely fine if people make different decisions. In fact, I think trying to maintain code repositories that are free of LLM-generated code is extremely valuable.
Then you'll use one of the many, many providers who will host your code. Why is it so important to you that this specific provider has to host vibe-coded stuff when you can host it anywhere else? Is "rest of the world" not a big enough place for you?
Then all digital systems will be compromised and our civilization will collapse. Without internet and computers, we would all be living happy farmer lives.
It took decades of manufacturers ramping up reliability to the point that driving schools didn't teach you how to change spark plugs, oil swaps and how to change a tire on the road side. I did my license around 2010 in Germany and changing a tire plus how to check for oil and coolant levels was part of the curriculum.
And similarly, AI has to go through that "ripening" as well before it can be trusted. At the moment, there is no solution even found on how to prevent hallucinations or in-band signalling attacks, much less actually validated at scale.
This is unfounded speculation, presented as inevitable fact.
I agree, skills atrophy is a real thing!
(It's a joke, relax... :-))
It's not misinformation, just read their own page:
If you use more than 100 MB of private storage for the use cases mentioned earlier, please send us a request and we can evaluate it.
If you do not contribute to any free/libre software project at all, Codeberg is unfortunately not the right place for you. However, check out the alternatives, we're sure you'll find a cozy place for your work.
The size limit is........a size limit, something every host should have; there's one for public codeberg repos too.
And while there are restrictions on what private repos are allowed, there are also restrictions on what public repos are allowed too, and it's extremely clear that neither requirement is equivalent to "they don't allow [public / private] repos".
My reading of that section is that, besides the size limit, the rules on private repos are, to an extent, less strict than of public repos; anyone who falls under your second quoted sentence couldn't have any public repos either, by the nature of public repos needing to be FOSS.