Convenience spending by "transactors" (roughly 35% of cardholders) who pay in full every month is something like $200 billion of this.
Then add unfunded liabilities like pension benefits and healthcare promises for every federal, state and local government, school district and corporation.
A trillion of credit card debt is something like one half of one percent of total indebtedness.
exactly. it is just $4K/person. Whereis current US national debt is $120K/person.
for example, the last time we saw a nice little rise was in 2008 where nothing bad happened and everything was okay (look at the 90+ day delinquency rates). at least housing and mortgages are fine for now but if there was ever an actual recession indicator, this may be it
That's why China will never do this.
Better for both nations to extend and pretend.
With all the grandstanding of the "great" POTUS, I'm yet to see a material effect of his so called tariffs. All I'm seeing are home-goals.
That debt is all treasury securities bought on the open market.
They can’t demand the US pays them back early any more than you can.
Once that wraps up, US money will be not much more than toiletpaper.
And that is wrapping up because world has like ~60years of oil left at current consumption rates.
The consumer is screwed either way, whether they try to "transfer" balances or not.
If they get ahold of my banking info they could take a lot more than my credit card limit.
The damage they can do with my credit card is way, way less.
This is why the unemployment rate is a poor metric. It doesn’t matter much if you have a job if its wages are insufficient for one to meet their basic needs on. Lots of employed folks, but folks barely treading water economically.
A silver lining is that with immigration constrained for the foreseeable future, wages will be pushed up over time through structural demographics further tightening labor supply.
https://www.marketplace.org/story/2026/08/11/credit-card-del...
https://www.marketplace.org/episode/2026/07/16/workers-are-b...
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49294240 (citations)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49027462 (citations)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47680794 (citations)
TLDR Wages must go up, price levels will not come down.
I've been down to single-digit dollars, in situations where I was forced to choose between food or gas. I also had "never ever have any credit card debt" drilled into me from a young age, and as a result didn't even have a credit card at the time to make sure the temptation to use it wasn't an option.
I ate a lot of ramen, rice, or sometimes nothing, but eventually made it through. If I had racked up a bunch of debt I would have been poor much longer, though it might have been healthier for me.
Ah, here it is https://bpi.com/missing-factors-in-the-cfpbs-analysis-of-ris...
It's almost like counting the "debt" between ringing up your items at wal-mart and paying. For those 30 seconds you owe money.
Based on some quick stats you could totally turn that into a useless headline "Americans accrued 4.1 billion dollars of debt every 30 seconds in 2025"
This is basically equivalent from a credit risk perspective, the banks don’t really care what % is interest vs. principal.
It has bailed me out of paying high interest rates and fees during hard times before.
Many years ago this "0% transfer" stuff was relatively new in the UK and a new outfit wanted to break into the market, they had two ideas which I guess they had costed as marketing ploys. First, the cards were a weird shape, this means there are a few applications where your card doesn't work, which is slightly annoying, but it's balanced by the brand recognition. Nobody cares which brand of rectangular plastic card you... oh, that's a weird shape.
But the Second was the easiest possible 0% transfer. To effect the transfer they write you a cheque for however much they'd agreed (let's say £1000) and you use that cheque to pay off a card or other line of credit. They charge 0% on this for 12 months.
What I, and lots of poor but money-savvy people did was sign up for the card. Deposit the cheque in an interet-bearing savings account, and set an alarm to pay the card off before that 0% expired.
So twelve months later you've made say £30 interest and you cut the card up. I don't know how many people did this, versus how many engaged with their product as they'd imagined. I know only two things:
1. I had about 50p outstanding balance to pay on my 12 month card, I figured they'd tell me I need to pay 50p within 30 days or whatever and if not they'd charge me extra - nope, they wrote saying "Your balance is negligible, we write off this tiny balance and don't expect to ever hear from you again".
2. This offer was never repeated. They did other 0% transfer offers but the "It's just a cheque" idea was never attempted again.
But yeah, reality is that most people are not white collar workers with decent income. HN is probably one of the higher income forums on the internet just because of tech. Definitely a bubble here
When bond prices drop, US interest rates go up, which hurts the real US economy.
And when bond prices drop, that devalues the remaining 90% of China's holdings, hurting China too.
The Fed could stabilize the bond market by printing dollars to buy the bonds itself, but that would devalue the dollar and drive up inflation in the US. When China tries to repatriate that wealth, they must sell dollars and buy yuan, which would drive up the value of the yuan, driving up the cost of Chinese exports, hurting their manufacturing sector.
It's mutually assured destruction.
> It's mutually assured destruction.
The most the Fed has ever held on its balance sheet is $5.8T.
Maybe I missed a zero somewhere but China's sale of 10% of their holdings seems in isolation like an awfully manageable problem. A different discussion if there were a ton of other crazy stuff going on in the world economy and they just piled on, perhaps.
US 10y bond auctions are often >40bn in size, with shorter maturities well over that. The seller of this debt (China) wouldn't want to smash the market because they'd only be shooting themselves in the foot.
Point being that it's an easily digestible amount of debt.