Another Tesla on Autopilot Stopped on Freeway, Driver Died: Report

Another Tesla on Autopilot Stopped on Freeway, Driver Died: Report(gizmodo.com)

10 points by kamaraju 7 days ago | 6 comments

asdefghyk 7 days ago |

Its not clear to me if the driver died while car was moving? and the car stopped somehow as a result of this?

If so I wonder if car activates blinker - hazard lights and tries to move to the edge of the road ( to the slower lan? ) to try avoid accidents ?

eurleif 7 days ago | |

HW4 vehicles with recent FSD software will pull over to the shoulder, activate hazard lights, and stop if the driver becomes incapacitated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKFlQz0qNwU

But the OP says this driver's car was model year 2020, which makes it HW3. All versions of FSD for HW3 (including 14.1 lite, the latest version, which came out after this incident) will stop in the lane with hazards on: https://x.com/JonBbC_TechGeek/status/2086347029018501183

radium3d 7 days ago | |

This is entirely regulator's decision.

Hazard Lights: Yes, the vehicle will automatically turn on its hazard lights

Controlled Slowdown: The car gradually slows down to a complete stop within its current lane.

Horn & Unlock: Once fully stopped, the vehicle places itself in Park, unlocks the doors, and may sound the horn continuously to signal for help.

Currently, Autopilot and supervised FSD are classified as Level 2 Driver Assistance Systems. Regulatory frameworks (NHTSA in the US, UNECE internationally) mandate that:

1) No Autonomous Lane Changes During Failure: Level 2 systems are not permitted to execute pull-over maneuvers (changing across active lanes to reach a shoulder) without driver supervision or dedicated Level 3/4 autonomous certification.

2) Risk of Pulling Over Unsupervised: A car pulling off to the right shoulder unguided could potentially cross multiple lanes of traffic or steer into a blind spot/guardrail if the driver is incapacitated.

3) Default Safety State: Regulators require the vehicle to safely bring itself to a stop in the path it is currently tracking (the active lane) with hazards illuminated, rather than attempting an unmonitored multi-lane drift.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/ncc-230607-001-571108-...

eurleif 7 days ago | | |

Is this LLM output? It's not supported by your source, which only says that activating the hazard lights is permissible, not that pulling over is impermissible. In fact, your source says: "We note that Subaru indicates that when the driver is unable or unwilling to take control of the vehicle, the system will bring the vehicle to a stop. A vehicle system that stops a vehicle directly in a roadway might, depending on the circumstances, be considered to contain a safety-related defect, i.e., it may present an unreasonable risk of an accident occurring or of death and injury in an accident."

OhMeadhbh 7 days ago |

Ah. This is why one of my co-workers referred to our boss' Tesla as a "Suicide Booth."

BroskiGx 7 days ago |

What are they going to do with Tesla now? Do they sue him? this is going to be curious