Leaving Proton Mail(runarcn.no) |
Leaving Proton Mail(runarcn.no) |
> What happens if I log out of all my proton accounts, travel to the other side of the globe, walk into the first library or internet café I find, and log on to mail.proton.me with my username and password?
The keys are encrypted to your password, that's how you can access your data maintaining E2EE.
> After one too many PR scandals though, there was one that I just can't stomach as well as the rest. Which is... The CEO being a Trump man.
These are starting to pop up on HN (another example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49585161). Outright political posts get flagged here so the new tactic looks to be pretending to make a decision for technical reasons.
With Multi-Party Relays you no longer have a trust a single entity not being malicious or compromised.
Disclaimer: I run obscura.com, which does exactly this with Mullvad (our partner) as the Exit Hop.
Bang. It's political.
Opinion discarded.
Also, I hate Trump too, but a broken clock is right twice a day. It’s possible to agree with some of the things he says while not being a “Trump man”. Why should we be surprised that the company founded on anti big-tech principles would have a founder who is against big-tech?
I think too that the only way to escape AI-written code in software products is to have written every line yourself. Which is obviously impossible because you’re not going to bootstrap the operating system.
Sometimes you really have to pick the best available option after weighing all the factors.
Sure, the CEO of Toyota wore a Trump hat to gain favor. That’s a heck of a lot different than the laundry list of distasteful things Elon Musk has done as a CEO of a Tesla like running an illegal government agency and trying to buy votes. I’d pick Toyota over Tesla just like I’d pick Proton over Google or Microsoft, and that’s not only a political choice but a product quality choice as well.
- Proton’s not an honest/forthright company in terms of open source and for-profit status
- Proton is flawed technically and isn’t really encrypting your data.
Starting with the former, I think the author is letting perfect get in the way of good. Proton has a whole lot of open source going on with their products and that is a whole lot more than anyone else in the space considering the breadth of their products. I don’t blame the author for misunderstanding some complicated technical concepts, but they are sound concepts.
Yes, a service like this needs to make money to be viable long-term. Having a non-profit parent company is way better than being a public company with public shareholder pressure or being owned by Bain Capital.
As far as the second theme here, the author is just plain mistaken on Proton’s encryption. The author is just misunderstanding the technical aspects of the services and goes further than that by accusing Proton of AI marketing copy, which I am personally not seeing. It looks like normal, sensible, and pretty easy to understand writing to me. I can understand if these concepts are difficult to grasp for the general public but I’m not seeing any problems, and there’s also a lot of third party auditing transparency as well.
It might be nice if Proton offered a more user-friendly alternative to PGP encryption for non-technical non-Proton email recipients, like using some kind of secure temporary link inside an unencrypted email, but also, Proton doesn’t have to be the one to provide that service. The author is asking Proton to do the impossible and fix the flaws of email. And you still have a really nice benefit that every Proton user you email has e2e encryption baked in. There’s really no other service with as significant user base offering that.
The author goes on to accuse Proton of spreading themselves too thin despite having a really strong product portfolio. There’s really nothing that their apps are missing besides strong photo organization in Proton Drive similar to something like Ente, Google Photos, iCloud Photos, Immich, etc. They’re pretty much a one-stop shop for everything you could want and are a drop-in replacement for big tech cloud suites with a very respectably better privacy footprint.
Finally, I’ll address the political bit even though I shouldn’t: I’ll just say that a company’s CEO having opposite political beliefs of you is a very legitimate reason to not patronize that company. If the author feels like they can’t be a Proton customer because of public statements made by the CEO, good on them. That’s why CEOs pragmatically shouldn’t talk in a partisan way so they don’t alienate customers. With that said, good luck finding a company with a CEO who isn’t right-leaning. Sometimes a perfect choice isn’t available on the market and you just have to go with the best available one.
Right now I’m stuck with Filen as the “least bad option.”
That seems like the worst reason to use a product. If I had the funds for a non free mail host, I would choose one thats not going to be easy to target with a TCN or TAN.
Yes, it’s nice that if everyone you know uses proton then you can send end to end encrypted emails with zero friction. But I consider that more of a side feature rather than a reason to buy it.
Purely Mail is a nice provider in that regard. $10 a year!
I do like FastMail a lot, though.
Proton mostly makes sense if you’re going to use the entire suite, which helps spread the cost and make it a good value.
No but theres a lot of daylight between "There might be intermediaries" and "The australian government can verbally request secret adjustments to this companies software"
If the supercomputing project dies because of this, yellow journalists like 404 media have scientific blood on their hands.
100% of your email is read by someone else. You don’t send private information over email or store it in an email server.
Sure, I wouldn’t personally be buying an end to end encrypted drive service from an Australian company.
Or any of a million things.
The Australian government needs to be treated as an absolute supply chain risk.