Ask HN: Does this exist or would it appeal?

15 points by davidfm 13 years ago | 16 comments

For ages now I've been looking for this tool, with no success. So I reckon it might be something others would want. Maybe I'll build it. Maybe someone else would like to?

I want to be able to see the bigger picture of the systems I develop. How files connect to each other, the variables they pass, the database tables they update, the functions and classes they use etc. A bit like a database schema but not.

I'd love to be able to zoom in to a line of code or out to show how the api connects externally.

I can picture myself using it on an enormous hi-res touch screen, but guess it should also function on a tablet.

Is there anything like this already or is it something others might use?

huhtenberg 13 years ago |

It's a solution in a search of the problem, I think.

If it's a poorly designed system, then the view will be a muddy web of connections. On the other hand, if it's a well designed system, it will be highly modular, with each module being small enough to be readily comprehensible in one go and with very few connections between the modules. So I basically don't see a use for the system that you are describing.

xauronx 13 years ago | |

Well, I think the muddy pool of connections is what this is a solution for. While I see it as practically impossible to implement, it would be great for huge legacy systems that grew rather than were designed. For instance, all of a sudden my patient certification table is getting weird records appearing in it. I would be able to find that table in this cloud, filter to connections to objects that have changed recently and individually inspect each one to see if it was the source of the problem.

The big problem is automating this to a degree that it's not a full time job to maintain.

akkartik 13 years ago | |

A weighing scale is a solution in search of a problem. Most people will do nothing, and the few that truly care will do so whether they have one or not. So I basically don't see a use for it.

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If you believe that we improve what we measure then this can be useful.

davidfm 13 years ago | |

I deleted a line from my original post before submitting it which said it was a problem I wanted a solution for so that might make it worth persuing!

I like your suggestion that it should be highly modular, not sure what makes that mean its not useful though?

tgrass 13 years ago | |

I disagree.

If the objects are generalized enough, this could be applicable to any industry with complex, integrated procedures.

ig1 13 years ago |

Rational (IBM) have tools that can do it for C/C++ - what language are you looking for ?

icey 13 years ago |

What you're describing sounds a little bit like LightTable to me (http://kodowa.com)

davidfm 13 years ago | |

I had forgotten about lighttable, thanks. I'll need to revisit it.

nnoitra 13 years ago | |

What does kodowa do? I really don't understand.

icey 13 years ago | | |

Here's a demo http://www.chris-granger.com/lighttable/ (2 clicks from the linked page)

maniacwhat 13 years ago | | |

http://www.lighttable.com

toutouastro 13 years ago |

I always wanted something like that !

davidfm 13 years ago | |

I think I might try a light version as a weekend project sometime soon, cheers.

michaell2 13 years ago |

don't know of any such tools, so instead I perform the task manually. If I want to better understand how some feature works, I write down in a text file what methods are involved, what method calls which etc. That way at any given time I have to answer fairly simple questions, but the accumulated info in the notes can then be used for more sophisticated reasoning. In other words, analysis :)

davidfm 13 years ago | |

That's exactly what I find myself doing, but: I don't like paper As things change I find myself rewriting the same stuff over and over It feels like it should be easier/more effective if automated

michaell2 13 years ago | | |

yep, that's why my comment mentioned using a text file for notes, not paper. I usually edit it using IDE rather than text editor to take advantage of the convenient cut-paste a line of text with CTRL-X / CTRL-V without highlighting by mouse.

Then again, my nestgrid project http://www.nestgrid.org (the desktop version) is IMHO, among other things. the future of this sort of notes taking but I have not yet gotten around to using it "in production".