Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu

Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu(svpow.com)

35 points by georgebashi 12 years ago | 5 comments

ggchappell 12 years ago |

FTA:

> Lots of researchers post PDFs of their own papers on their own web-sites. It’s always been so, because even though technically it’s in breach of the copyright transfer agreements that we blithely sign, ....

Not true. Copyright transfer agreements vary a great deal. I've published a few papers, and these days I don't sign any transfer agreement without reading it. A fair number of them specifically allow for posting copies of papers on personal websites.[1]

Probably the Elsevier agreement does not allow it. But since they've gotten so much poor publicity, no one who publishes with them has any excuse for being unaware of the consequences.

[1] OTOH, I'm in math/comp. sci., and Mike Tayor is in paleontology; maybe things are different in that field.

---------------------------------

EDIT. More FTA:

> Rich FitzJohn speculated: I wonder what their long game is here; petty harassment like that makes me way less inclined to publish in an Elsevier journal.

Seriously? After ridiculous subscription prices, aggressively making publicly funded research difficult to get at, revelations of fake "peer-reviewed" journals, paying for shill reviews, the resignations of several editorial boards, more than a year of a widely publicized boycott, and now this, he's just "way less inclined to publish". What does it take to get people to stop?

Alas, I know the answer. It is that tenure & promotion committees stop considering publications in journals like Elsevier's to be worth a lot more than publications in journals that are run ethically.

davidgerard 12 years ago |

Alicia Wise, from Elsevier, claims this is only final versions. That they never go after preprints on authors' own hosting.

This claim is, of course, false. http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4527505&cid=4562...

I have asked her for an explanation; I'm sure it will be of interest.

davidgerard 12 years ago |

This has also made the news:

http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/posting-your-latest-a... http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/12/06/1945224/elsevier-...

Those defending Elsevier need to keep in mind Elsevier’s fraudulent pseudojournals, blatant scientific fraud for marketing cash. Elsevier passed the “reasonable doubt” event horizon long ago. http://kmccready.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/elsevier-shoots-it...

ivansavz 12 years ago |

Actually, this totally makes sense to me.

If you post on papers on your ~home/ page it is fine, but if you give your papers to a third party which operates a for profit website then it is not the same.

I am generally not a big fan of Elsevier, but in this case I am totally with them on the matter.

sitkack 12 years ago | |

I am actually not a fan of academia.edu, they seem like the scribd/slideshare of academic research. They are another paywall speedbump in the free exchange if ideas. Whenever I hit their page I immediately look for another source.

If they had been more like stackoverflow and less like experts exchange ... but they are not.