Show HN: Find longtail keywords with low SEO competition

joshdance 11 years ago |

Can't make any searches for free without signing up?

itrinity 11 years ago | |

This restriction is there just for the last 2 hours. You could do 5 analysis without any account before. The reason is that I got a huge traffic from HackerNews and the service was not prepared for such a big load and were (are) there many technical issues. I know, it is my bad but I really did not expect that people will love this service (concept) so much that it will go on #1 page on Hackernews.

joshdance 11 years ago | | |

Makes sense. Would have been nice to put a note about that. Something like 'sorry, due to really high usage, you have to sign up for an account.' Just letting people know. Good luck!

swah 11 years ago | |

Agreed - very uninviting flow.

It would be better to ask for the email in the same page as the first search, or the infinitely better "enter email to save your search".

michaelmior 11 years ago | |

> Why to sign up? As a registered user you will be able to perform more searches for free. No spam.

Making you sign up is not unreasonable. But I find this text annoying. Yes I can perform "more" searches for free if I sign up, meaning more than zero.

dlhavema 11 years ago | | |

right, a result of the quick change over to help not kill the servers or their/his wallet.. if you do keep this flow, re-evaluate the verbiage.

I like the design and layout of the site though! maybe add a few more tool tips about what each column means. i know a little PPC terminology but not enough apparently..

michaelmior 11 years ago | | |

Yeah, I assumed that might have been for the purposes of not lighting the server on fire, which is totally reasonable :)

imaginenore 11 years ago |

Wherever you're getting your data, it's not very good.

There's absolutely no way "boudoir photography" is more popular than "wedding photography". Most people can't even spell "boudoir".

http://i.imgur.com/SlVlngq.png

mattpavelle 11 years ago | |

Dude, Rule 34. It is certainly possible.

itry 11 years ago |

Hmm... "music" has a green SEO score. I would think "music" is not exactly a niche keyword, right?

Probably because it has a PR0 page on top?

gingerlime 11 years ago |

I registered, tried a search term and got a blank screen. a couple more. Blank screen. Now I'm getting a "You are doing too much. Subscribe now and do more analysis"...

UPDATE: also tried the chat, but received no answer. Maybe it's the HN effect.

itrinity 11 years ago | |

Hello, I am sorry, http://kwfinder.com hit #1 page on HackerNews and there is a really high load right now. We are fixing this issue. Sorry for this inconvenience.

cm2012 11 years ago | | |

I also had the issue - no big deal though.

clickonchris 11 years ago |

I'd love to sign up and check it out but your signup page is using HTTP (no ssl), and I'd prefer not send a password over the internets in clear text. Throw some SSL on that baby and I'll come back.

halcyondaze 11 years ago | |

So, use a password that doesn't compromise any of your accounts and try it.

calgaryeng 11 years ago | |

Yeah this is kind of lazy...... Maybe just use something other than your bank password?

Kluny 11 years ago |

The SEO person sitting next to me says that this doesn't appear to offer anything that Trends and AdWord tools already have. I'm not well enough informed to have an opinion, but can I ask (for their benefit) what differentiates this from those other tools?

emgeee 11 years ago |

Pretty cool site. I'm not the most familiar with the SEO landscape so some more quick tips would be useful. For example, I had to do some quick research to find out that the PR number is between 0-10 with 10 being the highest.

bhartzer 11 years ago | |

I thought PR (PageRank) was pretty mainstream at this point. So much so that Google itself doesn't use it as major search engine ranking factor (at least as much as they used to).

NhanH 11 years ago |

The top right side box is empty for me (not that the content is empty, but look white and just seems to be broken to me), and it's still loading after a while.

sic1 11 years ago |

I am always uneasy when i see a site wanting any of my info to sign up and they don't have a privacy policy anywhere. I know you just built this thing, and wanted to share it - but you want my email address and a password, you need to tell me what you will or will not do with this information. "No spam." doesn't count as a privacy policy. For the record, I really would love to try this service out.

michaelmior 11 years ago |

Anyone have any thoughts on how this compares with HitTail[0]?

[0] https://hittail.com/

rwalling 11 years ago | |

HitTail uses the existing keywords people are using to find your site and automatically generates long tail suggestions for you each day or week (depending on your plan). It uses your proprietary keyword data to come up with more keywords your site is highly likely to rank for (low hanging fruit).

It appears that KWFinder asks you to enter a phrase and provides a list of long tail keywords. So it's more similar to LongTailPro or the Google Keyword Planner than HitTail - meaning it pulls from a single database of keywords they have compiled or otherwise have access to pull ideas from.

archemike_ 11 years ago |

I like the concept and would use this. The only issue is that the factors for competition are either low in the SEO ratio or the site's factors don't include very important facets of SEO therefore the tool isn't complete so you would be stuck with ok suggestions that require the same manual vetting afterwards.

fiatjaf 11 years ago |

I scrapped a lot of expressions (mostly based on verbs) from the Google Suggest in portuguese and made this kind-of keyword search service: http://nichos.alhur.es/, but I don't like the results. They aren't very much inspiring.

Can you give me some advice?

RealGeek 11 years ago |

Neat tool, much easier and simpler than Google Keyword Planner.

Where is the source of volume and PPC data? How accurate is it?

dools 11 years ago |

This is great. I used to use Market Samurai for this but it was slow as hell and then their SEO competition module broke altogether (presumably because of changes in the Google kw tool).

Are you scraping Google kw planner directly or are you using a separate keyword database?

itrinity 11 years ago | |

Directly. And it is a really big challenge :)

dools 11 years ago | | |

Wow that's great! I'd been looking for another kw tool that wasn't relying on an externally built/maintained kw database.

Well done, I'll be visiting with utmost frequency and paying the toll, sir.

aaron987 11 years ago |

Oh thank you! I've been looking for something like this. I know about Market Samauri, but that was slow and doesn't work in Linux. It was also very spammy. Your tool is a much nicer experience.

ohashi 11 years ago |

I have no idea what the color scheme means on SERPs listings. Numbers are obviously color coded... but I can't figure out any explanation as to what green vs red means.

itrinity 11 years ago | |

Red color = High SEO competitiveness Green color = Low SEO competitiveness

I will have to make it more clear, because many people are asking about it.

ohashi 11 years ago | | |

I'm seeing it on the SERP results on the right hand side for number colors. See: http://i.imgur.com/v64bfWa.png

itrinity 11 years ago | | |

There are multiple shades from green to red.

ohashi 11 years ago | | |

So in this instance, is the color indicating how competitive the sites are for the term? in general? It's obviously a ranked list, so presumably they would be in descending order for that term.

nekitamo 11 years ago |

Nice! A similar tool with some tongue in cheek humor is: http://keywordshitter.com

grinnick 11 years ago |

What's the min/max on the SEO rating? So far I've seen an 8 and a 10 but it could be out of 100 for all I know.

Terpaholic 11 years ago |

This is absolutely amazing. Thank you for this! Could you talk a little bit more about what goes into the competition score?

itrinity 11 years ago | |

Thanks for your opinion. SEO score is based on Google PageRank, CitationFlow (MajesticSEO), TrustFlow (MajesticSEO) and number of unique IPs linked to the page (MajesticSEO). This calculation is based on SEO competitiveness of the first 10 Google SERP results.

mladenkovacevic 11 years ago |

Really love the interface. It lays out the important information in a very concise and usable way.

bhartzer 11 years ago |

Running pretty slow for me, still waiting for the data after a few minutes...

itrinity 11 years ago | |

Yes, I did not expect it will go on #1 page on HackerNews, there is really huge traffic right now and I try to fix this issue.

david_shaw 11 years ago | | |

Well, congratulations on your unexpected success! :)

It's a little hard to use right now, but the results I've managed to get are great so far. Nice work!

May I ask what your eventual monetization strategy is (if any)? Ads? Subscriptions? Pay-per-use lookups?

spindritf 11 years ago |

What does the SEO difficulty score mean? Is it percentile? What is it?

itrinity 11 years ago | |

It is a scale 0-100. The higher number, the more competitive keyword. The score is based on SEO competitiveness of the top 10 Google SERP pages.

trg2 11 years ago |

This is really good.