Microsoft makes its case for Windows 10(dailystar.com.lb) |
Microsoft makes its case for Windows 10(dailystar.com.lb) |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_PowerShell
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1098786/run-bash-script-f...
...if you install Bash [1] so PowerShell can execute it. In much the same way that batch files can call Bash, or Windows Explorer can if you double click on it.
> A caveat to the accepted answer is that sh is not included in vanilla Powershell. I had to install Git, which optionally adds some UNIX tools to the PATH in Powershell, sh.exe being one of them.
> Note: sh.exe or another *nix shell must be associated with the .sh extension.
[1] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1098786/run-bash-script-f...
Not full on bash, but you get a better console with ssh, scp and a few other utilities.
I tend to do most of my windows scripting using bash cause it's just less effort that way. Still, it's not a first class citizen like on Linux, and Microsoft seems to be going down it's own path with powershell (which at best gives a nod to the existence of things like bash, but not a lot more).
Honestly, I find 'nix users unwilling to learn PowerShell the exact same as Windows user unwilling to learn a 'nix shell and core utilities.
PowerShell doesn't have SED -- but it has pipeline replacement.
$ cat .\x.txt | %{$_ -replace "sed", "powershell"}
$ ps | sort company | ft ProcessName -groupby company
...
Company: Greenshot
ProcessName
-----------
Greenshot
Company: inkscape.org
ProcessName
-----------
inkscape
Company: IvoSoft
ProcessName
-----------
ClassicStartMenu
Company: Microsoft Corporation
ProcessName
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taskhostex
conhost
explorer
...From my corner I hear a lot of grumbling from devs about Google's terrible Android SDK, poor documentation, buggy releases, flaky and buggy tools.
"“Our goal is to make Windows 10 the most attractive development platform ever,” Microsoft executive Terry Myerson told an audience"
I never felt that was Google's priority with Android. Its just that terrible.
Developers not strictly of the F/OSS mindset would probably try Windows development just for some new scenery, if their tooling was that great and they had more market share.
I was very disappointed that there are no metro interfaces for browsing files or basic things like looking at a text file.
Its really disappointing to have to drop down into the old, messy, ugly windows.
Metro is just not finished and its a shame.
That's a problem. I don't want to run phone apps on my desktop machine. I might want to be able to sync some things with my phone, but I have bigger jobs to do on the desktop machine than on the phone. If I didn't, why would I have a desktop machine?
In some cases I might agree, in others... why can I have a game that runs on my phone but not play it on my desktop?
You won't. Microsoft's Android bridge is only going to work for the Windows Phone deployed version of Windows 10.
It took several minutes just to explain how to get into 'Settings'. Then after finally selecting an account, he couldn't figure out that the right-hand panel with the settings actually scrolled. Then when he clicked 'Remove Account' and it gave a cryptic error about how the account couldn't be deleted, because it was his "Microsoft Login" account even though it looked like the work email account. Finally we found the right account and removed it. Almost 30 minutes of my life lost to something which should been about 5 clicks max.
I feel like literally everything about Win8 was designed as the complete opposite to how I would want my computer to actually function. First, the idea that Microsoft is sync'ing settings between machines in ways that is extremely difficult or impossible to turn off is worse than creepy, it feels like a back door. Then every time an app comes up as "Metro" styled or whatever, it seems incredibly wasteful, out-of-place and practically ridiculous looking. No, thank you, I don't want my 4K monitor taken over by a full screen of purple and a tiny bit of text at the top. Then there are things like 'Camera' app which when it fails simply says 'Camera cannot start' and give you absolutely nothing to do about it (all the while Skype video-conferencing is working perfectly).
It's like Microsoft thought, well most of our users don't even know how to use a computer, so lets make an operating system for them! I must have some sort of PTSD from it because I often end up loudly cursing Microsoft's existence any time I need to even approach a Win8 machine.
In short, if Microsoft is making a "case" for Windows 10 to anyone like me, it better look fuck all like Win8.
Yet I am convinced Microsoft still completely does not get it. My desktop is not my phone, and I don't want to run smartphone apps on my desktop. There are incredible opportunities for tying together the computing experience between desktops and phones, but unifying the user interface is just dead wrong. It's like the whole thing is just completely lost in translation. A unified experience does not mean a unified GUI! How can they get this so wrong even after 5 years of staring their failure in the face?
Android as a platform is also the best. Maybe I'm biased, Android being the first platform I tried my hand at - but that's also because Android's SDK is the only one available on Linux and that's what I was using back then. And that's a virtue.
> Developers not strictly of the F/OSS mindset would probably try Windows development...
Well, that's one thing that makes Android great - the availability of great open-source apps for it, like Firefox or VLC. That's one thing setting it apart from iOS. Microsoft copied iOS, but that was a terribly bad decision, because introducing a tightly controlled proprietary platform as a third choice is never going to fly in a market in which Android is number 1.
Of course you could bitch about how they constantly release new APIs for everything, but so does every other platform.
Every time I sit down in front of Win8 I feel like my head is going to explode.
Look: you don't like Metro apps? Then don't use them.
As it stands, your problems - and the problems described by every other person on HN who has had their good sense similarly assaulted by Windows 8 - are entirely self-inflicted.
You have a choice and you choose to stick with what brings you displeasure.
I mean, I get there are scenarios where some people get frustrated about some default behavior, but I run into something like that once or twice a year, and the rest is smooth sailing.
Lots of people love it. They say "computers shouldn't bother me with details, they should just work". They say "if I should be doing something, like backing up or managing settings, the computer should do it automatically". Even technical people say this, and I think it's a fair and realistic way to portray their opinion.
The only place you can hide from this trend is one of the full-manual linux distros (or bsd). I've used them for many years, I've worked on linux kernel drivers, I do dev-ops stuff, so of course I would hate this "make it easier" trend. But I feel that I am qualified to say that trying so hard to make things easy and automatic, while also keeping up with absurdly fast changes in GUI fashion, makes things less reliable and less fixable (and thus damn frustrating).
Things are more and more "designed", more and more "streamlined" and "optimized for user experience", and people seem to get the impression that the results are good, but in practice common people still don't really know how to even use the interface. I can figure out pretty quickly what you can click and what you can scroll, but the common user can't! and I don't prefer these slick new information-starved whitespace-fat interfaces. I guess they're just for demos, and their own designers.
I've used very little Win8, because it literally triggers an unhealthy physiological response in me for some reason. But the few things I've tried have been mind-numbingly painful. The whole 'Microsoft Account' thing after initial install of Win8.1 was very user hostile. I think I had to click Cancel like 7 times before it finally just let me login to my own machine.
In Win7 I start all programs by clicks Start, typing a few letters, and clicking Enter. That sometimes works in Win8, but often you type the name of a program and the auto-complete suggestions are just complete utter Rubbish?!
I installed MegaRAID testing a new SAS setup, and I'm trying to see; "Show me the start folder with all the MegaRAID apps". In Win7, you type 'Mega' and boom you see them all. In Win8, I had to hunt for them in the ridiculous tile view because it just wouldn't show in the auto-complete. (probably it hadn't "Indexed" them yet or something).
Then there was the experience with the Camera app. I was trying to record some video, and it would tell me absolutely nothing about why it wasn't working. Apps from the "Store" likewise failed (btw, their store was incredibly frustrating to search for something like 'Video recording' if you sorted by anything but Relevance then results were completely crap). I quick Googled for some Win7 freeware and of course it worked perfectly.
Then there's the massive cognitive dissonance between Metro and Windows. I'm just constantly hammering Windows-D to try to get back to sanity. The Metro apps hide all scroll and title panes, so just minimizing the window is an act of waiting for UI elements to appear. I mean, the OS is called fucking "Windows" and they eliminated the entire concept of a window. It's just mind blowing.
Like, try to get into IP settings to change your IP address. I think each successive version of Windows has to add at least 2 clicks to the sequence required to view or change your IP. It's easier to go to command prompt now. I never understood what that weird Network panel thing is supposed to even be showing me? Why do I need half my screen to list a single network adapter? And they give it so much space but include absolutely no useful details, just a big block of some randomly chosen solid color and absolutely no affordances for what to click next? Again it just seems they are building an OS for people who don't know what a mouse is. I'm sure they would remove the entire Control Panel if they thought they could get away with it.
I lot of the auto-complete is learned behavior. Use it enough and it figures out what you generally want to use given the keys you enter. Win7 is probably working better because you use it more.
Then there's the massive cognitive dissonance between Metro and Windows. I'm just constantly hammering Windows-D to try to get back to sanity. The Metro apps hide all scroll and title panes, so just minimizing the window is an act of waiting for UI elements to appear. I mean, the OS is called fucking "Windows" and they eliminated the entire concept of a window. It's just mind blowing.
Then don't use Metro apps? Ignore the Windows Store and Win8 functions the same as Win7.
I don't use a Win8 machine myself, so I have never had the cause to modify one back to Win7 behavior.
But the Win8 machines I have had to use seem to
push you back into Metro no matter how often you
try to Win-D out of it, e.g. like the Network
Settings example I got down-voted for below.
Were this any other platform, the advice on HN would be: 1. Figure out what you're doing to cause the behavior you don't like. 2. Stop doing it.
You mean, like clicking the Start button? Clicking the 'Start' button in Win8 brings up a metro-style screen which annoys me every time I see it. You can pin as many programs on the taskbar as possible, but if you want to run a one-off program, the only alternative is Win-R and knowing the name of the executable. Can you get back the standard Win7 start menu? Possibly, but like I said, I don't use Win8 enough to bother trying to modify it back to Win7.