1b:[[18212797,{"by":"ungerik","descendants":25,"id":18212797,"kids":[18213954,18213678,18213606,18213794,18213803,18213747,18213641,18215473,18214199,18213908,18213543,18213995,18213684,18215767,18213650,18214156],"score":47,"text":"While it's always usefull to be great at fund raising, it seems not always wise to raise big $$$ before achieving product-market-fit. When such a startup fails, it always makes for great headlines and 20/20 hindsight commentary.

What are good examples of where it did work out great? And what can we learn from it?","time":1539523932,"title":"Ask HN: When has big $$$ before product-market-fit ever worked out?","type":"story"}],[7676377,{"by":"ken","descendants":61,"id":7676377,"kids":[7677021,7676735,7676741,7676932,7676769,7676898,7676439,7676816,7676426,7676752,7676720,7676775,7676681,7676839,7677003,7676818,7677037,7677151,7676781,7676858,7679274,7677007,7676813,7676850,7677187,7678030,7676694,7676650,7677011],"score":64,"text":"I've read and heard from lots of programmers who want them, but I've only ever heard of about two software companies that offer them.

careers.stackoverflow.com has "Joel Test" scores for some entries, but companies seem pretty loose with the "quiet working conditions" criterion. One of them claims a point for that, but then brags about their "open layout" office.

I'm not looking for yet another debate over the pros/cons of offices/cubes/open layout, nor a list of earplug/headphone/desk indicators as mitigation.","time":1398891412,"title":"Ask HN: What companies have private offices for programmers?","type":"story"}],[7449728,{"by":"Dale1","descendants":148,"id":7449728,"kids":[7450013,7450101,7450061,7450422,7450590,7450964,7450191,7451078,7449799,7450255,7451145,7450000,7450064,7451975,7451144,7450065,7450774,7450892,7451162,7449998,7449925,7449852,7450336,7451448,7451715,7450870,7457305,7451150,7450242,7450919,7451040,7450804,7451313,7516240,7450175,7451463,7450258,7450477,7450559,7451483,7451705,7452092,7450565,7449942,7450125,7451097,7451716,7450428,7451853,7450454,7456277,7451251,7452238,7449890,7451768,7450495,7450444,7450388,7451477,7451619,7450182,7450048,7451071,7451102,7450287,7450363,7449910,7451266,7476589,7451591,7450208,7450833,7450148,7450965,7450437,7454791,7450233],"score":214,"text":"I'm currently a student and wonder how developers tend to earn their money? Do you work for someone as an employee or have you got your own company? Or is it a mixture of both throughout your careers?

I do work part time as a developer in a start up and can't help feeling i'm building a dream for someone else. Not that the experience isn't really good, (It definitely is and I learn more in work than in uni!) but i can't help feeling that the current university paradigm of work hard, good grades, get a job seems to be bit of a misnomer unless you're happy building things to make others wealthy whilst you earn £30,000 a year?

Unless i'm missing something important, I am young and naive after all!

This is a subjective question. I just want to get a few thoughts especially from you old timers who want to tell a youngster some home truths! :)","time":1395506298,"title":"Ask HN: How do you earn your money?","type":"story"}],[7324236,{"by":"whoishiring","descendants":429,"id":7324236,"kids":[7325247,7324386,7325130,7326195,7324536,7325289,7325333,7326463,7324373,7325180,7325216,7325146,7324255,7324837,7326425,7325268,7326306,7326978,7326366,7324425,7325893,7324723,7324556,7327027,7324559,7325886,7324606,7326067,7328712,7325365,7325286,7326408,7324397,7324461,7325076,7335582,7326979,7325606,7325386,7324444,7325174,7326505,7328456,7324272,7324531,7325446,7324286,7325134,7327412,7324779,7325705,7325313,7324323,7324545,7324455,7325699,7326445,7324965,7325413,7327218,7326487,7325695,7324743,7327681,7326670,7334910,7324788,7324781,7325621,7325133,7325864,7325332,7324348,7333912,7325108,7325293,7327595,7327055,7326041,7326235,7324983,7324447,7324847,7325938,7326295,7325048,7327216,7335172,7327679,7324587,7324364,7334914,7324330,7325105,7326729,7325095,7325656,7325860,7325193,7325521,7324861,7325707,7324922,7324666,7324871,7326956,7331274,7324583,7324465,7325278,7326787,7324428,7324324,7325942,7325055,7324268,7325409,7326171,7325887,7326051,7324361,7328713,7327520,7324253,7325088,7324484,7325545,7333365,7324963,7325118,7324349,7325689,7338430,7324571,7325282,7327151,7328473,7325172,7324471,7327814,7324862,7332776,7324645,7327487,7325170,7327214,7324615,7324551,7328620,7326268,7324857,7325362,7324462,7327430,7327731,7325716,7325613,7325308,7325334,7327236,7324403,7327090,7325726,7327626,7326952,7325548,7326426,7325599,7325868,7324554,7327215,7324762,7324959,7324480,7324915,7324646,7325589,7325331,7324994,7327333,7324560,7324548,7325639,7326559,7325154,7324796,7325583,7324841,7324991,7325594,7325906,7326810,7327426,7337337,7327311,7332064,7325219,7324619,7324535,7326027,7324929,7357264,7366243,7326121,7326524,7325590,7325179,7325934,7330659,7326094,7355513,7325601,7324625,7361341,7325228,7324393,7335032,7325855,7383001,7343065,7392178,7324499,7345532,7335795,7324573,7325441,7343089,7361620,7331256,7325947,7330486,7339512,7325857,7324507,7328849,7325375,7340023,7332442,7328089,7396828,7335884,7325107,7345491,7325314,7324475,7325202,7325405,7380491,7325003,7324458,7325899,7324577,7324948,7324840,7324529,7328465,7326438,7324436,7375199,7356380,7337301,7339738,7342372,7326522,7350316,7325743,7325008,7389830,7379385,7328694,7324875,7324701,7346603,7324895,7326147,7339174,7331525,7331472,7345959,7339801,7329853,7350254,7328384,7325427,7325306,7335602,7344113,7327140,7334385,7326454,7326256,7328595,7363709,7336971,7326383,7324988,7327152,7402461,7348298,7339715,7397487,7330900,7354435,7326934,7363309,7349011,7332020,7331805,7336526,7325092,7342469,7331993,7324427,7327719,7326549,7325712,7325662,7325499,7325147,7324346,7398185,7332039,7329761,7329569,7325619,7325483,7325363,7325343,7325086,7324754,7324648,7324627,7324288,7378144,7376087,7374337,7362468,7361576,7358562,7358560,7336351,7336318,7336224,7325605,7324242,7342231,7325045,7325651,7326640,7385466,7325604],"score":311,"text":"Please lead with the location of the position and include the keywords INTERN, REMOTE, or H1B if the corresponding sort of candidate is welcome. Feel free to post any job that may interest HN readers from executive assistant to machine learning expert to CTO.

Also see: Ask HN: Freelancer? Seeking freelancer? (March 2014) http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7324231","time":1393683080,"title":"Ask HN: Who is hiring? (March 2014)","type":"story"}],[7162197,{"by":"whoishiring","descendants":381,"id":7162197,"kids":[7162284,7163664,7162571,7162210,7162252,7164351,7162310,7162753,7164225,7162987,7163371,7162208,7164438,7163711,7163051,7162653,7163745,7162875,7164583,7166306,7162400,7164488,7162777,7162438,7163082,7163425,7164185,7163081,7162679,7162446,7162487,7164035,7162605,7162270,7163273,7162356,7162703,7162801,7163916,7162762,7162427,7164371,7162555,7164268,7164004,7162561,7162603,7162433,7162492,7164289,7164297,7163141,7169047,7163995,7163799,7163748,7162588,7162541,7162805,7166385,7162511,7162566,7163691,7162765,7162674,7162483,7167004,7163590,7163252,7163078,7163703,7162580,7163228,7163246,7162829,7164660,7162799,7162298,7163650,7162601,7163416,7164081,7163112,7165821,7162643,7163864,7162440,7162858,7181480,7164366,7163316,7173062,7163468,7163400,7168032,7173017,7209826,7163320,7162564,7164631,7162304,7162484,7166437,7163323,7173964,7164011,7172765,7169020,7164414,7163839,7163823,7193579,7169364,7182693,7166625,7163080,7163981,7162607,7162471,7162497,7164288,7164841,7162602,7173966,7163032,7163263,7171953,7162740,7163546,7162998,7188306,7240169,7171658,7166028,7165046,7188635,7166316,7166215,7163465,7164367,7218412,7162379,7198217,7183908,7173429,7163330,7162698,7166678,7162648,7165437,7162589,7163251,7163744,7163025,7171760,7164605,7162945,7173956,7165083,7215057,7166188,7167152,7186784,7163952,7162929,7163199,7243667,7162567,7163959,7162444,7162501,7162214,7163639,7243899,7163162,7165666,7181497,7163332,7163250,7162874,7162854,7162914,7163500,7171355,7162681,7174243,7165403,7163148,7175059,7162918,7174728,7178937,7162848,7193371,7162453,7163575,7162595,7171802,7171012,7165681,7165033,7172742,7162941,7163686,7200087,7163071,7163560,7181560,7164085,7163395,7163283,7180709,7164571,7162887,7181746,7163877,7243874,7181190,7164072,7162690,7163899,7164381,7162944,7169910,7238688,7162774,7165367,7167711,7186698,7162991,7162632,7217923,7243888,7163851,7192960,7168035,7166937,7162688,7186915,7163444,7173120,7179964,7164207,7186866,7186851,7162955,7163077,7163343,7164026,7242931,7163198,7172092,7171400,7165120,7239835,7163335,7163509,7164451,7172028,7164273,7163312,7163641,7177423,7165387,7163712,7166352,7179921,7163031,7164455,7163528,7162232,7226176,7164905,7166424,7165088,7163619,7164775,7162502,7225617,7162980,7195592,7165376,7163718,7162565,7162414,7163594,7163018,7162778,7168915,7165024,7164435,7162806,7162223,7163015,7164809,7172427,7169083,7164847,7162365,7163094,7162311,7166365,7162898,7162271,7234075,7217954,7178428,7178289,7175485,7172440,7171924,7171368,7171053,7168304,7166645,7166595,7165933,7165338,7165271,7164931,7164368,7163971,7163903,7163499,7163487,7163482,7163471,7163447,7163270,7163190,7162809,7162793,7162748,7162465,7166065,7162253,7199534,7163184,7181055,7181404,7163092,7164779,7181072,7162373,7174999,7179736,7212892,7163067],"score":299,"text":"Please lead with the location of the position and include the keywords INTERN, REMOTE, or H1B if the corresponding sort of candidate is welcome. Feel free to post any job that may interest HN readers from executive assistant to machine learning expert to CTO.

Also see: Ask HN: Freelancer? Seeking freelancer? (February 2014) http://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=7162201","time":1391274717,"title":"Ask HN: Who is hiring? (February 2014)","type":"story"}],[6475879,{"by":"whoishiring","descendants":561,"id":6475879,"kids":[6476543,6476264,6475930,6476258,6476121,6477008,6479563,6476167,6476286,6476906,6477840,6477874,6480380,6475937,6476896,6477322,6476512,6476754,6476105,6476031,6477160,6476237,6476936,6476371,6477194,6477030,6476050,6476390,6477087,6477787,6480046,6476109,6476080,6476197,6475999,6478293,6476245,6478091,6479285,6478133,6476226,6475998,6485806,6479642,6478568,6476590,6477146,6477373,6476463,6476439,6476603,6478208,6476029,6477549,6476384,6476619,6476988,6476476,6478137,6476129,6484880,6480881,6477446,6476561,6476488,6477982,6479129,6477050,6476383,6477392,6476627,6479846,6479476,6476517,6478232,6475912,6476612,6476391,6476147,6475911,6479851,6476738,6477635,6476532,6478034,6477234,6476417,6479431,6476915,6480880,6478424,6483369,6479236,6476299,6476294,6479444,6479052,6476665,6476576,6479213,6476409,6477231,6476414,6478362,6476695,6508149,6477528,6476285,6476250,6476380,6489775,6477428,6489794,6477704,6479112,6482035,6481338,6476523,6476331,6514389,6477904,6477932,6478646,6477004,6485434,6477735,6479433,6476508,6479568,6477299,6477474,6479324,6479341,6480100,6477102,6489846,6476704,6494540,6476809,6480531,6478348,6476996,6476253,6475995,6479357,6477833,6477846,6479203,6477513,6477066,6480530,6480134,6476547,6477007,6477054,6480362,6478770,6477206,6479860,6476008,6479056,6477224,6481143,6481048,6480436,6477915,6481176,6476646,6476023,6480420,6477547,6476228,6479586,6481268,6476751,6476487,6478366,6477394,6476629,6483265,6514105,6480204,6476572,6479538,6477989,6477387,6479657,6476686,6476424,6478031,6476238,6478423,6477776,6479002,6479919,6476763,6479512,6478917,6479412,6485684,6479130,6477750,6478213,6477168,6479204,6478714,6476349,6476730,6476135,6476307,6476034,6476796,6477943,6476254,6517415,6479581,6477396,6484428,6477384,6480285,6480472,6478102,6476313,6477400,6479901,6478295,6489216,6476415,6477587,6476914,6476949,6480608,6479315,6479516,6476712,6515772,6480224,6479455,6477693,6476614,6476352,6478529,6485815,6489844,6479141,6477947,6476814,6478368,6476616,6478877,6476539,6476342,6476545,6478381,6479511,6476538,6476339,6476275,6475914,6477970,6479741,6477481,6476750,6478140,6476173,6530485,6493123,6516359,6477986,6478673,6482721,6479038,6477500,6479783,6476640,6479148,6516990,6479074,6477973,6477415,6476440,6480219,6476919,6500234,6476149,6476502,6476400,6479154,6480367,6476138,6476072,6476026,6476611,6476946,6476907,6478584,6476207,6481427,6477254,6477609,6478039,6480821,6478012,6478008,6479263,6479311,6477601,6476191,6479972,6495812,6476714,6478157,6476013,6486284,6537153,6477475,6481486,6478298,6479026,6479946,6480541,6478080,6478010,6476999,6476769,6478289,6476900,6480596,6476469,6478653,6477376,6476205,6480109,6477448,6475987,6479505,6480218,6476860,6476381,6476199,6476018,6479916,6477048,6477716,6477800,6480002,6478945,6477571,6479065,6476247,6479630,6480957,6478334,6476509,6478105,6480331,6476136,6476944,6476997,6479210,6479048,6480955,6475975,6479542,6478700,6477661,6478174,6477181,6477190,6476575,6476968,6476416,6486835,6476036,6482272,6481913,6477404,6476406,6491985,6479960,6477134,6476847,6480306,6485017,6480549,6476276,6476456,6476259,6476058,6475972,6479673,6476248,6476202,6479029,6479867,6475922,6476262,6477101,6479466,6476952,6479517,6478976,6476041,6477150,6478887,6478329,6478148,6478128,6477221,6476618,6476073,6477559,6480418,6476274,6478214,6478199,6479134,6477695,6477193,6476740,6476546,6542476,6510833,6489337,6483061,6480137,6479900,6479153,6479070,6477999,6477983,6477962,6477388,6477083,6476692,6476661,6476525,6476374,6476302,6477785,6479667,6476364,6478654,6477077,6497222,6530565,6478124,6479438,6479142,6477546,6477210,6475984,6476434,6476060,6476055,6479317,6477374,6479313,6479502,6477300,6475915,6480119,6479858],"score":399,"text":"Please lead with the location of the position and include the keywords INTERN, REMOTE, or H1B if the corresponding sort of candidate is welcome. Feel free to post any job that may interest HN readers from executive assistant to machine learning expert to CTO.

Also see: Ask HN: Freelancer? Seeking freelancer? (October 2013) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6475879","time":1380633662,"title":"Ask HN: Who is hiring? (October 2013)","type":"story"}],[6310234,{"by":"whoishiring","descendants":374,"id":6310234,"kids":[6310343,6310835,6310351,6310261,6310866,6310472,6310530,6310729,6311694,6310814,6310573,6313133,6312503,6313561,6310689,6310856,6311860,6314858,6310483,6310501,6314993,6311083,6310848,6311206,6310936,6311273,6310511,6310238,6311125,6310414,6312126,6310639,6312786,6311608,6311304,6310517,6336700,6310821,6312143,6311813,6311480,6373432,6310824,6310546,6312520,6310523,6311148,6324140,6315183,6311846,6310695,6310419,6311135,6325026,6310708,6312149,6336316,6311661,6310528,6310864,6356445,6316832,6310592,6311929,6310475,6310633,6311415,6310775,6310981,6310593,6311485,6313380,6313423,6312576,6315154,6310583,6310541,6336696,6310506,6355436,6324091,6314359,6317247,6312603,6311360,6368689,6311352,6311887,6311883,6311073,6311214,6324141,6310882,6310608,6350991,6311169,6362407,6317632,6311674,6314493,6310579,6311476,6342347,6336551,6324587,6313525,6311288,6311519,6311087,6327949,6315611,6311961,6311363,6312556,6311404,6311629,6319661,6311565,6333156,6310604,6310495,6320941,6363017,6312169,6310870,6310510,6310424,6310421,6310239,6323632,6323648,6311318,6312423,6318347,6310670,6310537,6311190,6311164,6310520,6311741,6310531,6356806,6315743,6311315,6327307,6312151,6311951,6314182,6336890,6314902,6310657,6314743,6312328,6337410,6320962,6311690,6310462,6314056,6332990,6382232,6311913,6311063,6313751,6334726,6312407,6330013,6312945,6355597,6311331,6339127,6312760,6311470,6312200,6311053,6310752,6310527,6311464,6321358,6311542,6310417,6310723,6311299,6311251,6311257,6311382,6312779,6312477,6320775,6310887,6319046,6354840,6312559,6310508,6310852,6374613,6323067,6329661,6317859,6315711,6310492,6319420,6311711,6313179,6311322,6312263,6311943,6313799,6320867,6313051,6313488,6310773,6312512,6311059,6310886,6315932,6313256,6337047,6310612,6311109,6344682,6310458,6312904,6323643,6312120,6313979,6311292,6311346,6310737,6325061,6310675,6310681,6312189,6318008,6310701,6310267,6311399,6321135,6319926,6318418,6313562,6312217,6311611,6311420,6310519,6311925,6313557,6310920,6312885,6334127,6344310,6310390],"score":304,"text":"........................................

Let's help programmers in or displaced from Syria get jobs somewhere safe

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6310317

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Please lead with the location of the position and include the keywords INTERN, REMOTE, or H1B if the corresponding sort of candidate is welcome. Feel free to post any job that may interest HN readers from executive assistant to machine learning expert to CTO.

Also see: Ask HN: Freelancer? Seeking freelancer? (September 2013) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6310240","time":1378041680,"title":"Ask HN: Who is hiring? (September 2013)","type":"story"}],[5803764,{"by":"whoishiring","descendants":362,"id":5803764,"kids":[5803800,5803798,5805449,5806597,5805933,5804133,5804248,5804776,5805444,5804302,5804040,5805724,5803925,5808721,5812730,5804642,5803771,5804301,5804199,5804111,5804213,5804650,5804610,5805121,5804341,5805699,5805878,5809458,5803788,5806068,5805145,5803831,5813737,5805006,5804483,5804170,5805106,5804526,5804942,5804048,5803957,5804452,5805201,5812125,5804613,5803976,5803920,5804107,5803963,5807186,5808476,5819407,5805191,5807171,5806614,5803897,5804108,5804438,5804836,5805576,5804439,5804667,5803924,5805337,5805080,5803789,5803862,5804561,5805496,5804913,5805688,5804053,5817815,5803918,5804127,5804662,5806257,5813892,5804540,5804971,5804480,5804281,5807240,5820378,5803969,5820887,5804259,5804892,5806418,5810068,5805274,5821243,5806533,5804482,5806062,5830105,5828899,5804868,5806194,5805200,5806438,5832750,5816001,5820420,5804022,5806139,5804437,5833616,5804000,5803899,5805551,5816006,5805786,5827000,5805204,5806377,5819938,5837059,5864164,5804168,5803945,5805938,5811407,5805120,5804367,5805999,5805829,5808423,5808420,5808418,5805442,5826537,5831712,5816542,5823124,5862311,5804357,5804236,5809329,5851630,5820149,5806224,5804374,5819397,5806365,5805231,5809177,5873953,5804724,5805229,5868790,5808940,5825253,5806205,5803999,5816731,5805124,5807249,5804366,5807209,5815288,5814927,5826832,5803868,5803987,5805776,5809086,5805419,5814362,5804937,5815057,5814622,5834629,5803805,5812681,5825928,5804090,5808776,5806571,5826446,5805136,5804729,5882787,5810303,5806456,5870290,5806066,5808616,5805470,5805114,5804092,5810364,5813575,5809210,5805679,5804171,5830173,5838274,5804002,5809128,5809061,5805035,5806974,5805796,5805289,5805832,5819676,5803835,5805393,5806338,5804385,5811799,5805550,5805574,5803964,5806932,5805646,5804916,5806280,5807126,5804099,5804216,5805174,5805072,5809268,5804985,5805945,5806855,5805733,5804062,5803907,5803866,5804344,5808863,5803871,5805931,5816157,5807061,5804350,5804260,5805283,5806085,5804943,5807590,5804834,5804582,5809852,5804800,5804851,5803974,5883091,5805614,5817116,5804018,5803952,5805330,5805700,5827910,5805105,5804006,5845513,5825738,5819086,5818978,5813901,5807522,5807514,5804200,5804072,5804982,5803772,5804311,5804309,5804305,5808436,5803953,5821708,5816408,5816407,5804352,5820525,5815472],"score":249,"text":"Please lead with the location of the position and include the keywords INTERN, REMOTE, or H1B if the corresponding sort of candidate is welcome. Feel free to post any job that may interest HN readers from executive assistant to machine learning expert to CTO.

Also see: Ask HN: Freelancer? Seeking freelancer? (June 2013) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5803767","time":1370091538,"title":"Ask HN: Who is hiring? (June 2013)","type":"story"}],[3783657,{"by":"whoishiring","descendants":223,"id":3783657,"kids":[3783795,3783808,3784192,3783774,3784387,3784193,3783731,3784492,3785046,3783977,3783876,3784583,3783806,3784662,3784695,3788401,3784470,3783983,3784311,3784343,3784180,3783734,3784268,3783875,3787434,3784307,3784070,3783830,3784315,3784132,3784197,3783810,3783855,3783749,3783874,3783831,3784182,3788128,3824018,3784040,3784511,3791992,3786241,3784005,3784087,3795179,3784308,3784059,3784278,3787008,3784224,3784664,3788913,3783957,3808489,3784088,3783914,3783797,3786825,3784129,3805082,3788340,3784820,3786647,3791039,3785611,3784290,3784185,3823363,3795824,3784346,3784215,3785527,3784062,3783825,3793464,3784203,3823370,3784703,3784265,3784551,3823351,3783901,3815237,3793477,3796127,3786134,3788191,3783814,3817665,3784873,3785242,3823391,3783865,3784074,3784390,3784172,3806286,3785487,3785033,3784071,3784031,3785589,3795006,3786041,3784313,3784168,3785629,3784160,3794792,3784818,3784823,3784283,3784412,3783824,3784262,3784565,3784572,3783923,3783793,3785098,3794829,3784718,3784108,3784242,3784983,3784527,3821525,3794529,3784211,3784784,3790932,3784945,3787235,3785221,3788295,3783986,3784003,3784347,3787000,3819812,3783879,3788239,3783984,3784411,3784267,3784372,3786217,3785286,3785619,3784076,3784728,3783729,3785790,3786191,3783930,3783842,3784680,3786990,3786333,3787781,3783927,3785537,3784013,3784856,3784200,3785337,3787419,3784924,3784128,3785307,3784453,3784881,3785551,3790606,3784015,3784004,3786577,3784712,3784037,3784577,3783823,3784027,3784691,3825184,3784381,3783964,3784457,3783833,3802898,3785649,3792168,3792441,3800093,3784414,3784147,3784508,3818609,3784226,3784033,3795643,3790006,3788319,3785688,3787495,3783852,3784038,3790272,3783928],"score":264,"text":"Please lead with the location of the position and include the keywords INTERN, REMOTE, or H1B if the corresponding sort of candidate is welcome. Feel free to post any job that may interest HN readers from executive assistant to machine learning expert to CTO.

Please also see: \"Ask HN: Freelancer? Seeking freelancer?\" (April 2012) http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3783658","time":1333288038,"title":"Ask HN: Who is Hiring? (April 2012)","type":"story"}]]

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