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are you working on? Any new ideas that you're thinking about?","time":1748201818,"title":"Ask HN: What are you working on? (May 2025)","type":"story"}],[40079835,{"by":"yr1337","descendants":116,"id":40079835,"kids":[40088844,40089389,40080324,40093489,40092861,40089513,40088825,40088913,40089867,40081909,40081284,40094244,40096527,40079923,40093234,40090905,40080820,40094700,40101827,40092822,40089196,40093169,40094130,40113496,40094342,40089007,40094256,40098515,40089613,40093105,40094632,40129626,40080701,40081118,40089113,40098851,40094262,40089794,40089744,40092917,40094511,40096327,40080252,40095170,40088884,40096311,40092887,40089003,40092884,40093905,40089051,40089677,40094874,40167615,40089615],"score":106,"text":"I'm interested in the healthcare/medical space and trying to find a worthy problem to work on. I'm applying the YC method of asking as many doctors as possible what their pain point is.

It's not going well. Just scraping LinkedIn and trying to make connections, I'm getting a 25% connection rate and a 1% interview rate.

My message is super concise and trying to be as non-salesy as possible. I'm pretty clear I'm just looking to learn/listen and not pitch.

BTW I'm also looking into other avenues than LinkedIn, just not 100% sure what that may be.

So, startup folks, how did you manage to land these early discovery interviews? Especially those in the healthcare sector.","time":1713468335,"title":"Ask HN: How do you ask users about their pain point?","type":"story"}],[39907725,{"by":"clearfeld","descendants":4,"id":39907725,"kids":[39908176,39965450],"score":7,"text":"Hello HN,

Today we're sharing with you DataConstruct, a tool to help you generate mock data and the code to consume it.

Features:

- Exporting data to json, yaml, xml

- Generating PostgreSQL, MySQL scripts

- Code gen for various languages including but not limited to C++, Rust, Typescript, Java, C#, Go, Dart, Swift, Mojo

You can try it out at the link below (no signup or credit card needed), the only limit being up to 1000 rows per generation within the playground.

https://www.dataconstruct.io/organizations/playground/schema...

If there's languages, databases, data generators, frameworks, or other locales you'd want to see supported let us know!

Our email if you'd prefer to contact us this way: support@dataconstruct.io","time":1712075753,"title":"Show HN: DataConstruct – mock data generator and code 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HN: Who is hiring? (July 2019)","type":"story"}],[19543940,{"by":"whoishiring","descendants":859,"id":19543940,"kids":[19545383,19544521,19546276,19545981,19543942,19546699,19545696,19545085,19547472,19545148,19546925,19546554,19544005,19545228,19546630,19545077,19545185,19548401,19546756,19548707,19545496,19547613,19545435,19546942,19545526,19551255,19545346,19550209,19545431,19544622,19545266,19545254,19545516,19546439,19549772,19546629,19547103,19549911,19547180,19544336,19548240,19551535,19545239,19546463,19545446,19545337,19547249,19546626,19547005,19545171,19545249,19565707,19550575,19551389,19545305,19548461,19545942,19547987,19545995,19543943,19545315,19546801,19544076,19545369,19545284,19544133,19545326,19545032,19545729,19547142,19544112,19557733,19544252,19546111,19545434,19544516,19547962,19546782,19553612,19544436,19546790,19545303,19545616,19550541,19545706,19545412,19548516,19552395,19548288,19545712,19545329,19547385,19545445,19546236,19547906,19545333,19544900,19623268,19546372,19545979,19545318,19547858,19544121,19552768,19549951,19545198,19546864,19643196,19547130,19554804,19546598,19545505,19546411,19550054,19551613,19545453,19545451,19545195,19547882,19548758,19545366,19549394,19546484,19562827,19546128,19553788,19555336,19555326,19547758,19549349,19549788,19545464,19544807,19545878,19550178,19560643,19547588,19548308,19545597,19548006,19547557,19545551,19563290,19561804,19551383,19544004,19554242,19552340,19544716,19554146,19549632,19544073,19545661,19550535,19546450,19549532,19546225,19545951,19548103,19609009,19569258,19549407,19557193,19549052,19545202,19550968,19551963,19547841,19548047,19547238,19545541,19573421,19545508,19557769,19634893,19558291,19547099,19571850,19546412,19564525,19544378,19547366,19545897,19553924,19545253,19545805,19550289,19547897,19547800,19547739,19547974,19546621,19548385,19545952,19546688,19546681,19559108,19545430,19553952,19614909,19551116,19545488,19545813,19545682,19545631,19548241,19550379,19558782,19553950,19550130,19547966,19549653,19547618,19546807,19559169,19548482,19548633,19557956,19545893,19585754,19553408,19549486,19551577,19625552,19547246,19547003,19546674,19546055,19548151,19546064,19582386,19550267,19549479,19548334,19553933,19547312,19544921,19544143,19546184,19544910,19545205,19543976,19555615,19545621,19544127,19587190,19546530,19554343,19550773,19556757,19547333,19544397,19623037,19545299,19558582,19549743,19546768,19546355,19546156,19545252,19545439,19549284,19545657,19543950,19543961,19550479,19546855,19567742,19551666,19544908,19551745,19551455,19544221,19553172,19547420,19543995,19544980,19545021,19547940,19546440,19547351,19543994,19552660,19548503,19551588,19556882,19548220,19546376,19545882,19547744,19547206,19544480,19579442,19546963,19555468,19545441,19549074,19546895,19546734,19556590,19553758,19548190,19545136,19568216,19548999,19546413,19547558,19545043,19559691,19552578,19550702,19549384,19550839,19548948,19637376,19562841,19544376,19545886,19575204,19551874,19548318,19551310,19548321,19547848,19573546,19556212,19552499,19552092,19551013,19546352,19544985,19560155,19555474,19547219,19560569,19549434,19546182,19582507,19544428,19547596,19546622,19552176,19645147,19545525,19555271,19547986,19549129,19548656,19552216,19548970,19547463,19554448,19551882,19546197,19545680,19548032,19545643,19566697,19543971,19545363,19543992,19546103,19547783,19545478,19648323,19580398,19559727,19548530,19546107,19565261,19545033,19634768,19545642,19545400,19583414,19545098,19546135,19548646,19581799,19551195,19543953,19546612,19558122,19563891,19544765,19574019,19545404,19626653,19545101,19544286,19545196,19548873,19545602,19544010,19550485,19544021,19552193,19546442,19544460,19546315,19545724,19550240,19545061,19547500,19551807,19549086,19547870,19545731,19556860,19545112,19550029,19546067,19552470,19550363,19544888,19544487,19548119,19567012,19545929,19548561,19547695,19546495,19545592,19549796,19551114,19546624,19545798,19545243,19548994,19548224,19545438,19550524,19548427,19547532,19576732,19548074,19545328,19574623,19547322,19544685,19628462,19587337,19551910,19552534,19554300,19551792,19547651,19546138,19561601,19546664,19547166,19546968,19545226,19545018,19610269,19609309,19555026,19545225,19562140,19552219,19545967,19546962,19545862,19552696,19547999,19544688,19559600,19610364,19548579,19548565,19552850,19628300,19556233,19557931,19552152,19548588,19546269,19549974,19664006,19545636,19548928,19560997,19557947,19556076,19544633,19553999,19549759,19568047,19545250,19544162,19568431,19574778,19554185,19546310,19551635,19628373,19553801,19544156,19545780,19569904,19549887,19548445,19550722,19547007,19545014,19553249,19554531,19545087,19548209,19545118,19544011,19548234,19544360,19546203,19551571,19544988,19551156,19557002,19607079,19547346,19554510,19545775,19549151,19567740,19546145,19554728,19547741,19544342,19545242,19562927,19578959,19553860,19549731,19547900,19546499,19547370,19545814,19547391,19551938,19548600,19545234,19555325,19545584,19566121,19549598,1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2019)","type":"story"}],[15384262,{"by":"whoishiring","descendants":1123,"id":15384262,"kids":[15384799,15385247,15384491,15384528,15384430,15386358,15385880,15385490,15386478,15384773,15384609,15384579,15384572,15388961,15384303,15385169,15384266,15387218,15392899,15385638,15386641,15384736,15385129,15388268,15386074,15386081,15385659,15386105,15386776,15385875,15385043,15391575,15386590,15385658,15384397,15384657,15392750,15385113,15390293,15392066,15385572,15385039,15399203,15388457,15387356,15385819,15390806,15388505,15389700,15386692,15384655,15386561,15384532,15389005,15385074,15386738,15385737,15385258,15384801,15388539,15388071,15386388,15385565,15388361,15385544,15384357,15388395,15384268,15385149,15392192,15384384,15386167,15390085,15387716,15391958,15385797,15390052,15384418,15393649,15384269,15385672,15384290,15388590,15391479,15387295,15384731,15388199,15388857,15385556,15387044,15387535,15385579,15394721,15384874,15384562,15388959,15384671,15387902,15392011,15384535,15385752,15386309,15386180,15387129,15387189,15385024,15388795,15384965,15388916,15384470,15384293,15397100,15386503,15384726,15393799,15387649,15388471,15385003,15391852,15387060,15386437,15385673,15389695,15388259,15384818,15386862,15399077,15384807,15386533,15394056,15393989,15385835,15388105,15388513,15384577,15388370,15394037,15386616,15384349,15384500,15385091,15387058,15387244,15385197,15385559,15388620,15389133,15385995,15388737,15384991,15388995,15384675,15388895,15384658,15384797,15385784,15384959,15385193,15385680,15384727,15386412,15387856,15389024,15384674,15387888,15388974,15386974,15385566,15384834,15385183,15389283,15391146,15386088,15390871,15390702,15384477,15391677,15384685,15386813,15384750,15392399,15387565,15387659,15388198,15386823,15384534,15387540,15384313,15386262,15387156,15385501,15386216,15390254,15392303,15384553,15388701,15385462,15386015,15387889,15384369,15387799,15404984,15387166,15384452,15385390,15385563,15390473,15384595,15390279,15384391,15384289,15384277,15385350,15385568,15384407,15388459,15386422,15384286,15388019,15388468,15384730,15384922,15384370,15388491,15386060,15385607,15390075,15384667,15385529,15385057,15391080,15387021,15404575,15385917,15385097,15390467,15389716,15385642,15391824,15393603,15384996,15401083,15389480,15384410,15388955,15384366,15384611,15392153,15408064,15390875,15384514,15392349,15386350,15385801,15384285,15386277,15385691,15385172,15385355,15386918,15386154,15385651,15384381,15384519,15386352,15387461,15447034,15387134,15386858,15388728,15386791,15386566,15385645,15387468,15388412,15388136,15386780,15386627,15391011,15392054,15385818,15386983,15385918,15384756,15387115,15384783,15390905,15385444,15388372,15387546,15443507,15386125,15385282,15388706,15386640,15385806,15385960,15387689,15397474,15394032,15405206,15388390,15386031,15388144,15385524,15389210,15386946,15387827,15392018,15389978,15391963,15384352,15386482,15385375,15479903,15450172,15398558,15387412,15384371,15465433,15384531,15386568,15466499,15414871,15386848,15400472,15394196,15384846,15386373,15384974,15421214,15385348,15386897,15398737,15386626,15384912,15394592,15389202,15385118,15401060,15385937,15384758,15398463,15386209,15395075,15431741,15387890,15386404,15385540,15395561,15395289,15388715,15463974,15393379,15384564,15410476,15384891,15386398,15396001,15387321,15385007,15391862,15385418,15384440,15386089,15384661,15399116,15386976,15387801,15393809,15385125,15389064,15387751,15385221,15398753,15394369,15384718,15385614,15397624,15386376,15385861,15397255,15386718,15392222,15384871,15394643,15386466,15396412,15386801,15392299,15432883,15386687,15384377,15400469,15385931,15385954,15385936,15384529,15393845,15408867,15388756,15389252,15445390,15389636,15387181,15385424,15427097,15386879,15432885,15384320,15385475,15387241,15401389,15384696,15385553,15385703,15388075,15391528,15388840,15387168,15399735,15395665,15385158,15386880,15386246,15387517,15390236,15390027,15384624,15385303,15385634,15385374,15386676,15384803,15385021,15385483,15400801,15386069,15388598,15387515,15393163,15387688,15388393,15385488,15394519,15405945,15387456,15385330,15405037,15386342,15387804,15418485,15386170,15389599,15384601,15384967,15388156,15388601,15389366,15387099,15387173,15387406,15390559,15385828,15387404,15387803,15385945,15432891,15384957,15385865,15433164,15389463,15389203,15388098,15385001,15388897,15387823,15388833,15416917,15389575,15391568,15387638,15391242,15388952,15387741,15385977,15384559,15384694,15387564,15386201,15385482,15388970,15384547,15388523,15390278,15400189,15386035,15458208,15387595,15387417,15388073,15385453,15399261,15388475,15384952,15384405,15389788,15385596,15394571,15390899,15392598,15384862,15455628,15384890,15397809,15396276,15384447,15385209,15385036,15386965,15387030,15393890,15387438,15386320,15401721,15393179,15387503,15395106,15417472,15388503,15385377,15385189,15390079,15407934,15397280,15396248,15411963,15406899,15388937,15385437,15387774,15458632,15386517,15385176,15411537,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lead with the location of the position and include the keywords\nREMOTE, INTERNS and/or VISA when the corresponding sort of candidate is welcome.\nWhen remote work is not an option, include ONSITE. If it isn't a household name,\nplease explain what your company does.

Submitters: please only post if you personally are part of the hiring company—no\nrecruiting firms or job boards. One post per company please.

Readers: please only email submitters if you personally are interested in the\njob—no recruiters or sales calls.

You can also use kristopolous' console script to search the thread:\nhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10313519.","time":1506956414,"title":"Ask HN: Who is hiring? (October 2017)","type":"story"}]]

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